Read “ The moral critic of the AI industry—a Q&A with Holly Elmore” in FOOM Magazine
Where we discuss my calling out of Joe Carlsmith, among other things.
Mordechai Rorvig describes how seeing me call out Joe Carlsmith for selling out to Anthropic affected his thinking on the matter:
The rising ambiguity of the AI issue has led to introspection and self-questioning in the AI safety community, chiefly concerned about existential risks for humanity. Consider what happened in November, when a prominent researcher named Joe Carlsmith, who had worked at the grantmaking organization called Open Philanthropy (recently renamed as Coefficient Giving), announced that he would be joining the leading generative AI company, Anthropic.
There was one community member on Twitter/X, named Holly Elmore, who provided a typically critical commentary: “Sellout,” she wrote, succinctly.
Prior to seeing Elmore’s post, I had felt that Carlsmith probably deserved, if not sympathy—making a decision that would presumably be highly lucrative for himself—at least a measure of understanding. He had provided, in a long post, what had seemed to me an anguished reasoning for his decision. “I think the technology being built by companies like Anthropic has a significant .. probability of destroying the entire future of the human species,” he wrote. But for Elmore, this didn’t matter. “The post is grade A cope,” she concluded.
Elmore’s response made me ask myself whether I had been overly forgiving. And in the last several years, everyone concerned about the existential risks of AI has had to ask themselves similar questions. Therefore, rather than stirring up controversy, Elmore’s perspective has tended to feel clarifying, at least for me personally. Whether you agree or disagree with her opinions, they allow you to evaluate your own opinion with greater certainty.
Read the entire interview in FOOM Magazine.


Thanks for sharing. I missed your tweet calling him a sellout at the time. Looking at it now I see that you didn't respond to the replies. Have you said more about why you think he's a sellout elsewhere?
Personally I think it was *probably* a bad decision for him to join Anthropic (and think the same of Holden Karnofsky's decision to join--I couldn't make sense of his reasons despite his 4.5-hour 80,000 Hours Podcast interview), but I remain not fully confident.
I'm bothered by Joe Carlsmith not answering my question about why he didn't sign the Statement on Superintelligence (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3ucdmfGKMGPcibmF6/leaving-open-philanthropy-going-to-anthropic?commentId=FeiSqARqHs7ABqdoA).